Different not Less: Living with Autism - Lindsay Malkinson
Lindsay Malkinson- Bio
Hi everyone, I’m Lindsay and I'm excited to be here on this podcast. I was diagnosed with autism at 11 years old, though I started feeling different when I was 9. Alongside my role as an advocate for others on the autism spectrum, I work with Amare as a brand builder, focusing on gut health, mental health, and overall wellness.
A bit more about me: I’m a dog mom and love bringing positivity and light into the lives of others. I’m also grateful for every day, finding the good in each one, no matter the challenges. I truly enjoy my work, especially helping people feel their best from the inside out.
I work at a daycare because I love spending time with kids. I’ve also written a chapter in a best-selling book titled "Absolute Vision." My academic achievements include recently earning a 4.0 GPA in my Early Childhood Education Assistant Certification. I’ve got big dreams, including speaking on stages about autism to educate and empower others.
Life hasn’t been easy—I couldn’t walk for over a year and a half once, but giving up was never an option for me. I believe in resilience and always getting back up. I find inspiration in quotes and am deeply supported by my family and friends.
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Summary:
Have you ever felt like the world just doesn't see you for who you truly are?
In this episode, Lindsay shares her experience living with autism. Lindsay explains how she navigated the challenges of being misunderstood and misdiagnosed until she found acceptance and began advocating for herself and others with autism. Her story is a powerful reminder that our differences should be celebrated, not just accepted.
During our conversation, Lindsay talked about how music plays a role in her life, especially on difficult days. She finds that music helps manage her mood swings and anxiety, offering comfort when needed. Her determination and resilience shine as she discusses her efforts to educate and empower others about the daily challenges faced by people with invisible conditions like autism.
Lindsay's journey is a reminder of the strength found in facing life's challenges and using personal experiences to inspire and educate others.
Takeaways:
Share Your Story: Embrace your experiences with autism or similar conditions and share them to foster understanding and support from others.
Become an Advocate: Support autism awareness initiatives and engage in advocacy to enhance education and empowerment for those on the spectrum.
Use Music for Wellness: Employ music as a therapeutic tool to manage stress and improve your emotional health.
Develop Resilience: Focus on resilience by overcoming challenges learning from setbacks, and celebrating your achievements.
Support Awareness Initiatives: Participate in platforms and events that raise awareness and promote inclusion for invisible conditions.
Challenge Stigma: Work to change societal views on invisible conditions by advocating for respect and understanding, and fostering open discussions to reduce stigma.
Definition, Resources and Example Accommodations:
Autism
Definition: Autism, or autism spectrum disorder (ASD), is a complex developmental condition that involves persistent challenges in social interaction, speech and nonverbal communication, and restricted/repetitive behaviours. The effects of autism and the severity of symptoms vary widely among individuals. It is called a "spectrum" disorder because there is wide variation in the type and severity of symptoms people experience.
Workplace Accommodations - Examples:
Structured Environment: Providing a predictable schedule and clear expectations can help reduce anxiety and confusion for individuals with autism.
Modified Communication Methods: Utilizing written instructions or emails instead of verbal directions can be helpful for those who have difficulty with auditory processing or social cues.
Noise Reduction: Offering noise-cancelling headphones or allowing work in a quieter space can help minimize sensory overload.
Visual Aids: Using charts, graphs, and pictures to supplement verbal instructions or providing detailed agendas before meetings can be beneficial.
Flexible Breaks: Allowing flexible scheduling for breaks can help individuals with autism manage sensory sensitivities and stress.
Mentorship and Support: Assigning a mentor who can provide guidance and support in navigating workplace dynamics and tasks.
School Accommodations - Examples:
Individualized Education Program (IEP): Tailoring the educational approach to fit the individual needs of the student with autism, including specific goals and objectives.
Special Education Services: Providing access to special education teachers and aides who are trained in working with students with autism.
Assistive Technology: Using tools like tablets or computers with specialized software that aid learning.
Social Skills Training: Incorporating programs or support groups that help improve interaction and communication skills.
Sensory Tools: Allowing the use of sensory toys or equipment that can help the student stay calm and focused.
Alternative Testing Methods: Modifying how tests are administered, such as giving oral exams instead of written, or providing a quiet space for test-taking.
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Chapters:
00:00:00 Overcoming Labels and Embracing Diagnosis
00:05:07 Embracing Autism
00:16:45 Music and Advocacy on Bad Days
Transcript
Lindsay Malkinson 00:00
Even though I am diagnosed with things that maybe I don't always want to have. I have to show the world that we don't get to pick and choose what we have thrown at us. We just have to use it to the best of our ability, and we have to figure it out along the way.
Tim Reitsma 00:16
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01:06
Have you ever faced something in your life that seemed to set you apart from everyone else? Are you faced with barriers and obstacles that others put on you because of your condition? Hey, tim here, and thanks for tuning in to another episode of the Invisible Condition Podcast, where we talk about advocacy and unusually normal things, the conditions, diseases and illnesses we live with. We will end the stigma of invisible conditions by empowering voices, and today's voice is brought to us by Lindsay.
01:33
Lindsay lives with autism and her outlook on life is something that I am striving for. She has overcome so many fears and obstacles in her life and she's so determined it's beyond inspiring. Lindsay wants to live in a world where she isn't labeled, where she's so determined it's beyond inspiring. Lindsay wants to live in a world where she isn't labeled, where she's given a chance and is seen for the person she is Now. Imagine that a world where there is no stigma. Lindsay is on a mission and to use her condition as an advocate for those who need it. Have a listen Now on a podcast. How cool is that?
Lindsay Malkinson 02:22
Yes, it's super cool, and then I actually used to babysit your sister's kids too.
Tim Reitsma 02:27
I know it's amazing. When I told my sister that you're coming up on the podcast, she was super excited. I'm super excited. Why don't we just jump right into it? Why don't you tell us a little bit about who you are, a little bit about yourself and your diagnosis and how you've embraced your diagnosis in your life and in your career?
Lindsay Malkinson 02:48
I'm Lindsay and I was diagnosed with autism when I was 11 years old. But I felt my world changing when I was nine and I was actually misdiagnosed a few times growing up with autism, because a lot of people didn't know what autism was and I was born in 1999. So it wasn't that common as it is today and so people probably knew I had autism. But because there wasn't a lot of diagnoses yet, it took a while for me to get diagnosed and I was diagnosed at the BC Children's Hospital in Vancouver.
Tim Reitsma 03:21
And so you were diagnosed when you were quite young and you said you noticed your world changing when you were nine. Can you describe that a little bit to us?
Lindsay Malkinson 03:32
I felt like I couldn't really fit in with my peers and I kind of felt like I don't want to say I was different, but I just felt like I wasn't. I just couldn't fit in and everyone was succeeding so much faster than I was and I just felt like I could look at others and I just didn't feel like I was at the same place that they were and it took me a long time not to be able to like judge myself or to just get caught up, because a lot of times I compare myself to others. So I learned not to compare myself and that was really hard, but I'm proud of myself.
Tim Reitsma 04:10
Yeah, proud of you too Like comparing ourselves to others is it's so common, right? We look at other people and we compare, you know the physical stuff. We compare maybe what they have and I can imagine as a young person, as you said, not quite fitting in. How was that? How was that as you were growing up?
Lindsay Malkinson 04:33
Well, I really felt almost like the odds fall out. I didn't really feel like I knew how to be one of the group and I was really isolated a lot. I really felt like I just wanted to be in the corner by myself listening to my music and I watched the others have fun. But I was often picked fast for sports or I just didn't feel like I was always the top of the everything and I wanted to be, but I didn't always feel like I could be a part of the group.
Tim Reitsma 05:03
But I didn't always feel like I could be a part of the group. Yeah, and, and so you. You went for a diagnosis. You were misdiagnosed a few times, and now you've got your your autism diagnosis and how had that diagnosis changed your life? How did that help you and your and your family and your parents um, as you were growing up?
Lindsay Malkinson 05:25
Um, well, it kind of helped because it showed me that, you know, even though I'm different, I'm not less, and it just helped me to see my world in a new way, because a lot of times I felt like I was different, and so the diagnosis just really helped me to be able to express myself freely, and it actually helped me be able to understand myself and know what was going on and what was happening.
Tim Reitsma 05:50
It's beautiful what you said, different, not less.
Lindsay Malkinson 05:55
Yes.
Tim Reitsma 05:55
We are all different. I love that you said that, because just because we're different doesn't mean we're less, and anybody who's listening to this Lindsay said it. I'm saying it. You're not any less. You just happen to be living with something, perhaps, and so you've got your diagnosis. It's really helped drive some clarity in your life. Um, when we first connected a few months ago, um, I was really inspired by why you want to tell your story. So what makes you want to tell your story now on a podcast and be open and vulnerable and throw it out there?
Lindsay Malkinson 06:37
Well for me. I really want to help inspire others on the autism spectrum that might not be able to speak for themselves. I really want to be an advocate and help people that you know may not know how to speak or do things on their own, because I am so proud of how far I've come. I have come so far and, looking back at how far I've come, I've broken down so many obstacles and barriers and I just really want to help people that may not see the light at the end of the tunnel. I want to help people um see that I'm an advocate and that people can do anything they set their mind towards yeah, and you do set your mind to things and and get things done.
Tim Reitsma 07:17
Do you have a couple examples to share of some things that you've?
Lindsay Malkinson 07:20
overcome. Well, I have actually always wanted to work with kids, and so I used to babysit your sister's kids. And now I have actually always wanted to work with kids and so I used to baby your sister's kids and now I'm actually working in a daycare. I have my ECEA certification and I'm driving which on my own and I have my N, and I actually just went to Grand Forks, I went through Kelowna and so on my own, and I was so proud of myself because when I got my license, I was actually quite afraid to drive and I just kept pushing past those barriers and obstacles and telling myself, even though I'm nervous, I can do anything. I set my mind towards.
Tim Reitsma 07:58
Yeah, so for those who are listening who aren't familiar with British Columbia or Alberta, yeah, that's quite a distance, that's quite a drive.
Lindsay Malkinson 08:05
Yes, yes, it's about three or four hours.
Tim Reitsma 08:10
Wow. And so you set your mind to something. And so many, including myself. If something seems hard, I just don't want to do it. I could think of a thousand reasons why not to do it. And here you are, you're saying you know what, I'm going to do it. What gives you that drive? What drives you to that accomplishment?
Lindsay Malkinson 08:31
Well, actually I didn't walk until I was 19 months old and I kept falling down, and then I just told myself, like you know, I have to make the best out of my life and I have to show myself that, even if I fall, I have to get up stronger each time. And it really helped me to learn resilience and just show that, even if I do fall down, I keep getting up and I keep trying different ways to succeed up and I keep trying different ways to succeed.
Tim Reitsma 09:03
Yeah, resilience is a word that resonates with me as well, especially living with something that's invisible and keeping that mindset of I'm going to figure this out, or we're going to figure this out and I'm going to push through, and I might not succeed or might not ever succeed, and and that's okay, but I'm going to continue to drive forward and to push forward, and I really see that as kind of a theme for your life. But you said something earlier on about being an advocate. What does being an advocate mean to you?
Lindsay Malkinson 09:36
Being an advocate to me means helping others that may not be able to see the best in themselves. I want to help be an example and a positive light for people that may have a hard time seeing you know the way that they are. I want to help and inspire others by being an advocate.
Tim Reitsma 09:55
And you are. I follow you on Instagram. We're going to provide your Instagram handle in the show notes as well as at the end of this episode. And you are right Even when we connected, you're not defined by your diagnosis. You're not putting limits on yourself, and maybe you could talk to us a little bit about that, because even living with Crohn's, I sometimes put limits on myself. I can't do something. I don't see you have that mindset. Is that correct?
Lindsay Malkinson 10:29
Well, it took me a long time to get away from that mindset because I used to really define my autism and then I thought you know, my autism only holds me back if I let it, and I need to show the world that, even though I have autism, I can still do anything I set my mind towards, even if it takes me longer or I have to work harder towards my goals, because I often feel like I do have to work harder than the average population, but I still push myself and go for what I want.
Tim Reitsma 11:07
Yeah, you do right. Like you said, you've got your license, you drove here, in Canada to graduated license process. You went through that learner stage, that novice stage, and you've set your mind to education. I want to help kids, I want to teach kids and now you're working in a daycare. You got that education and do you have any other goals? Anything else that is on the horizon for you?
Lindsay Malkinson 11:32
I would eventually love to live on my own, like on independent living, like living on my own apartment or suite or like because right now I'm living in a basement suite, but I do have quite a bit of help and I just want to live on my own where I can show the world that even though I have autism, I can still do anything.
Tim Reitsma 11:53
I love that. When we connected I, we connected covered a lot of ground and you said you know, even going back to that mindset shift from being negative to positive, and was there a definitive moment or a time in your life when it was no? I need to move from that negative into that positive. And what led to that shift?
Lindsay Malkinson 12:26
Well, I had a friend. We're not friends right now, but she really helped me open my eyes and see that, even though I was so negative, it was up to me to make the best out of my life. So, even though I had this autism thrown at me or anxiety or anything that's going on, it's up to me to make that shift and I have to put my best foot forward and, even though I am diagnosed with things that maybe I don't always want to have, I have to show the world that we don't get to pick and choose what we have thrown at us. We just have to use it to the best of our ability and we have to figure it out along the way.
Tim Reitsma 13:02
Yeah, what you said resonates with me. Right, I didn't choose to have Crohn's disease. If I had to pick a condition, it would not be Crohn's disease, but it's what I've been given. And you've been handed autism and now you've taken that and say, okay, this is what I've been diagnosed with. What can I do now? What's next? Yeah, and I know, and it also sorry.
Lindsay Malkinson 13:28
It also helps me to open my eyes and see the world in a different point of view.
Tim Reitsma 13:34
Yeah, and are you able to describe that a little bit, that different point of view?
Lindsay Malkinson 13:40
Yes, for me it kind of feels like there's a wall. For my autism it feels like there's a glass wall that I'm behind, that I can see through, but I can't get to the other side. Like I can see things but I always feel like I don't fit in sometimes because I always see what's going on but it's hard for me to express and feel like just like everyone else and I know everyone's different in their own unique ways but I feel like it's harder for me to put myself out there or to fit in with the population.
Tim Reitsma 14:17
I'm curious. When you say you fit in and and I hear that as well I feel that, um, what does that mean? What is it? I'm curious and I've thrown this question. It's way off script, but um, what does it mean to fit in?
Lindsay Malkinson 14:34
Um, well, for me to fit in, it just kind of means like just to feel like I belong sometimes, because sometimes with my autism I can be different. I feel like not less, but different, and sometimes it makes me more vulnerable and just harder to feel like I can be a part of things. Because even though I am a part of things, I just feel like people sometimes look at me or judge me because they know that I have autism and so a lot of times they put a label on me before they even know me, or they judge a book by its cover and think, oh, because she has autism, she might not be as capable as they think that I am. Or they know that I am because I am vulnerable, but a lot of times people don't take the time to actually get to know how amazing I am. They just judge a book by its cover.
Tim Reitsma 15:28
I wish we could say that we can change that. And it's hard, right? We look at someone, we pass judgment, right? There's that unconscious bias it's called that when we see something and our minds are already making up an answer or a response to something. But for someone who has put that label on you, or who has maybe not allowed you to fit in, what would you say to them now?
Lindsay Malkinson 15:55
Well, I just look at how far I've come and I say I'm so proud of myself and I just I'm so proud for pushing myself and moving past barriers and overcoming obstacles, and that's really what I focus on.
Tim Reitsma 16:08
Yeah, that positive right and that's what I get from you is that positive mindset there's, there's, it seems like there's no room for negativity.
Lindsay Malkinson 16:17
No, yeah that there's, there's seems like there's no room for negativity. No, yeah, and I always feel like there's always light to give and I always try and be a light to others and help people to see that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, because it can be hard, but I just need to show, because sometimes I can't get down on myself, but I always try and show, even when I'm down on myself. I can help others by helping them in not to be down on myself. But I always try and show, even when I'm down on myself, I can help others by helping them in not to be down on themselves.
Tim Reitsma 16:44
Yeah, we're human. There's bad days. It's not all good days. And what does a bad day look like for you?
Lindsay Malkinson 16:51
Well, sometimes I can just get frustrated and just zone out or just feel like I just want to be alone and not get things done, or have a schedule and not have the things done on my schedule and just listen to my music all day long and just sit there and think about things, and that's when I know that I'm shutting down or frustrated.
Tim Reitsma 17:13
So you recognize that too right. So you know when you're going down, when you're going into that negative path. And then do you have friends and family who say, snap out of it, Lindsay. Or is it yourself that say, hey, I'm on this pattern, I need to get out of it?
Lindsay Malkinson 17:33
Sometimes I just I feel like for me I know when I get to that state, and then just I need a day or something just to think about things and then get back to where I was.
Tim Reitsma 17:45
I hear you. There's some days I haven't had one in a while. Maybe there's one coming up, I don't know when. I just wake up and I just tell my wife that I'm just having a really bad day and I just want to cancel everything, fulfill my obligations with work and then just sit on the couch, watch Netflix or read a book or nap or whatever. Just have those days. But what you said is also very important, which is to just recognize that and making sure that doesn't become a habit or a pattern and get back into a different mindset. And you'd mentioned music plays a big influence on you, and when my niece, Jenna, who used to babysit, was on the podcast, she talked a lot about music as well, and so I'm curious what are you listening to right now and what is it about? Music that kind of gets you, you know, gets you going?
Lindsay Malkinson 18:41
Well, I listened to so many genres but I really like the group called I Am they and the song called Scars. It's a worship song but it's really helped me and it's really helped me to see that even though I have bad days, I can pull myself out and it's really helped me just to focus on, even when I get down or I don't feel like the world is going to turn around or change or get better. It's up to me to make that change and sometimes when I hear a song, it puts me in a different mood or the way I'm feeling. That's how I know what I'm going to listen to that day.
Tim Reitsma 19:16
I'm going to have to go listen to it after this episode. So the song was called Scars by the band I Am they yes Music, you know, for me I work from home. I'm often down in my office by myself.
19:35
The music I listen to really kind of affects even the output of my work and affects my whole mood, and so if I'm listening to something that is angry or angsty or heavy or fast, it has an impact, and there's lots of studies that support how music affects us. So do you always have music playing? Is it always in the background?
Lindsay Malkinson 20:01
Yes, I always have music playing and sometimes I have my headphones on just if I need to figure out something, but a lot of times I always have music, even at nighttime or during the day. I always have something going all the time. It really helps me a lot, and helps me with my anxiety too, and just helping me to feel like I just can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Tim Reitsma 20:25
Yeah, you'd talk about music, even when you were quite little right, you'd sit there with your headphones on. And so it's had a massive influence. Are there other songs that have influenced your life over the years?
Lindsay Malkinson 20:35
There's so much music that I listen to so sometimes it's hard for me to choose a song because I have so many songs over like 15,000 songs on my Spotify so it's hard for me to choose just one or two. So I listen to a lot of old classic rock or 80s music or music just like like music that's meaningful and that has a purpose because I try and have good music. That has a purpose because I try and have good music. But sometimes if I listen to rapper, hip hop, like I listen to all genres but I feel like it really plays a role in how I feel that day.
Tim Reitsma 21:11
Yeah, wow, that's a lot of music. I love it. Yeah, maybe over time we'll put together a Lindsay's playlist. I don't know, we'll figure something out, but I love that. And, lindsay, you know, sharing your story openly and vulnerably takes a lot of courage.
Lindsay Malkinson 21:28
And I know you're open on your Instagram account and on a podcast it's a little different.
Tim Reitsma 21:33
Right, we don't know who's listening, we don't know where it's going to, who this episode might affect, and I just really appreciate your honesty and your vulnerability. Yes, and I'm curious.
Lindsay Malkinson 21:54
So anyone who's living with an invisible condition and feels called to share their story. What would you say to someone? I would say to them don't give up, Keep going, Even when you feel like things won't get better or that you can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Keep going, because there is going to be a day where things will turn around. You just have to keep pushing towards what you want in life and don't give up.
Tim Reitsma 22:14
Don't give up. A podcast I recently recorded had a very similar sentiment, which was you matter. And it might not feel good now, but you matter and don't give up. I love that. The purpose of Invisible Condition, this project, this wild idea that I have, is about ending the stigma of invisible conditions and you highlighted this as well where people have looked at you and have immediately passed judgment or have excluded you or have thought differently of you. This is all stigma. How are we going to end this? How are we going to end this stigma?
Lindsay Malkinson 23:01
I feel like we have to keep talking about it and keep educating and empowering others, because a lot of times people think before they even know what's going on, they just completely go to this is what's happening. They need to sit down or actually engage in conversation and learn. You know, not everyone is the same. We're all different, like snowflakes, you know, and it really has to open people's eyes and help them to educate and empower themselves about that. They can see that it's who they are.
Tim Reitsma 23:35
Yeah, I like to say I am my version of normal.
Lindsay Malkinson 23:40
You know I'm a normal person, you're a normal person, we're all normal.
Tim Reitsma 23:43
There's no real definition of normal. I'm a normal person, you're a normal person, we're all normal. There's no real definition of normal in my opinion, and this is my normal, and my normal is different than yours, and yours is different than somebody else's, and I think I can echo what you say, and I know we talked about this too when we first met was people. We need just to be kind, let's think before we speak. Something that you said that really resonated with me before, when we were planning out this episode, was just pause, think before you speak, yes, yes, and think before you speak.
Lindsay Malkinson 24:17
And also another one for me is treat others the way you want to be treated, because it's really important to think would you want, like someone to do that to you? And if you don't, then maybe you should think twice. And if you want to be treated nicely for me, you get what you give or you get what comes around, so you really have to put in the best foot and treat others the way you want to be treated, because it will all come back to you eventually.
Tim Reitsma 24:46
Absolutely. And you know, we all have a different path in this life. We've all had different starts, we all have different middles and we're all going to have a different end. And that doesn't define us. It can empower us to drive change. And so you know, if you could wave a magic wand and if there's one thing that you could change in society in relation to invisible conditions, in your case, autism what would it be?
Lindsay Malkinson 25:15
I just think that something for me would be that others would give me a chance and actually give me a chance and actually, before they judge that I'm vulnerable, they would just take the time to get to know me and see how amazing people with autism are.
Tim Reitsma 25:33
It's been such a pleasure to get to know you over this past few months or reconnect with you. I mean, we connected when you were quite little and you watched my sister's kids, and here we are on a podcast, and so I'm just so grateful for you, lindsay, and for you just being an outspoken advocate, and so I just wanted to thank you.
Lindsay Malkinson 25:55
Thank you for letting me be a part of this podcast.
Tim Reitsma 25:59
Yeah, and if you are listening and you're inspired by Lindsay, I know I am. I'm kind of feeling a little choked up today and quite emotional just hearing your story. Lindsay. Where could people reach you? Where could people find you?
Lindsay Malkinson 26:14
I'm inspiringessentials on Instagram. I love that page and I'm always on inspiringessentials, so you can always send me a direct message or comment on any of my posts about autism, and I would just love if you came over and followed me there.
Tim Reitsma 26:32
Awesome and so inspiringessentials we'll have that in the show notes as well, so we'll have a direct link to your Instagram there. Again, lindsay, thanks for coming on and for those who are listening, I know you're inspired by Lindsay. I know you're inspired by the work of Invisible Condition. Would you do me a favor, if you're listening, can you forward this on to your friends, your family? Can you let people know about what we're doing at invisiblecondition.com? That would mean the world to me.
27:06
I'd also love it if you're able to subscribe to the newsletter. It goes out every couple weeks. It's full of good stuff, it's not spammy, it's not long. It's just meant to really help encourage us to end this stigma of invisible condition. Help encourage us to end this stigma of invisible condition. And, lastly, if you have the financial means to donate to the publication of Invisible Condition, to the production of episodes like this, head over to invisiblecondition.com. Slash, donate, and I am super grateful for those who already have and for those who are considering as well. So, lindsay, thanks again for coming on. I don't think this will be the last we've heard from you and I hope you have an amazing day.
Lindsay Malkinson 27:47
Thank you, you too.
